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by DonnieS » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:12 pm

The people involved in fracking - a son-in-law, two neighbors , talk about constantly working on improving the quality of what they are using in the process, the cleaner products they use, the cheaper the disposal process is. This is not some secret thing , we have a 1/4 of a state working on this - and from what I heard about to be expanding to more than half the state as some large field out in west texas is going to be worked - they have major incentives to make this as clean as possible. Besides the fact there are major players out there looking over their shoulders 24/7 trying to find some way to shut down the work (these are government workers whose goal is to kill private business so more will have to go on the government tit or even worse, do what I have done - work for the government) - so the energy companies motivation is very high to keep improving this process and as fast as they can.
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by GIMNEPIWO » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:30 pm

DonnieS wrote:The people involved in fracking - a son-in-law, two neighbors , talk about constantly working on improving the quality of what they are using in the process, the cleaner products they use, the cheaper the disposal process is. This is not some secret thing , we have a 1/4 of a state working on this - and from what I heard about to be expanding to more than half the state as some large field out in west texas is going to be worked - they have major incentives to make this as clean as possible. Besides the fact there are major players out there looking over their shoulders 24/7 trying to find some way to shut down the work (these are government workers whose goal is to kill private business so more will have to go on the government tit or even worse, do what I have done - work for the government) - so the energy companies motivation is very high to keep improving this process and as fast as they can.


BS ... The disposal process is that they pump it back into the ground ... As I understand it and as everything I have read ( except what is published by the fracking companies themselves ) has said ... Major players ...Who ? Tell me D - Man .. If you could lease your land to them, would you live there or move ? Is it because they are in PA or somewhere 2000 miles away that makes it ok ... ?
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by GIMNEPIWO » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:35 pm

"For the strength of the pack is the wolf, the strength of the wolf is the pack" Rudyard Kipling
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by Dugout Dad » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:46 pm

GIMNEPIWO wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-big-fracking-bubble-the-scam-behind-the-gas-boom-20120301

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... e-20120306

Rollingstone, really? I would figure this would be under their Science and Research section.
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by jonriv » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:47 pm

There is regs
US Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking) Regulations Handbook, 2012

For the prevention of groundwater contamination from the chemicals used in the hydraulic fracturing process, both the federal and state regulatory bodies have enacted laws. At the federal level, the laws enacted are the Safe Water Drinking Act and Clean Water Act. At the state level, the rules and regulations in place require the operators of the well to have proper casing and cementing of the hydraulically fractured well, in order to prevent leakage of the fracking fluid into ground-water. Rules have also been framed for the proper disposal of the flow-back water for operators carrying out hydraulic fracturing.

The scope of this report includes: hydraulic fracturing regulations in the US at the federal level and the acts enacted for environmental and public health protection; The regulatory bodies in Colorado, Texas, Pennsylvania, North Dakota, New York, Arkansas, Michigan, Ohio, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Alabama for hydraulic fracturing activities; and The rules and regulations framed at the state level in Colorado, Texas, Pennsylvania, North Dakota, New York, Arkansas, Michigan, Ohio, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Alabama for environmental and public health protection.

This report offers comprehensive information on hydraulic fracturing regulations applicable in the US both at the federal and state level. The report provides information on the regulatory bodies supervising hydraulic fracturing operations and laws and acts enacted for the regulation of fracking operations. The report also provides information related to the current state-level regulatory bodies and the policies framed for protecting the environment and public health from the potential impacts of fracking.

An Executive Summary for this report and free sample pages from the full document are available at http://www.giiresearch.com/report/gd259 ... tions.html
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by DonnieS » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:52 pm

GIMNEPIWO wrote:
DonnieS wrote:The people involved in fracking - a son-in-law, two neighbors , talk about constantly working on improving the quality of what they are using in the process, the cleaner products they use, the cheaper the disposal process is. This is not some secret thing , we have a 1/4 of a state working on this - and from what I heard about to be expanding to more than half the state as some large field out in west texas is going to be worked - they have major incentives to make this as clean as possible. Besides the fact there are major players out there looking over their shoulders 24/7 trying to find some way to shut down the work (these are government workers whose goal is to kill private business so more will have to go on the government tit or even worse, do what I have done - work for the government) - so the energy companies motivation is very high to keep improving this process and as fast as they can.


BS ... The disposal process is that they pump it back into the ground ... As I understand it and as everything I have read ( except what is published by the fracking companies themselves ) has said ... Major players ...Who ? Tell me D - Man .. If you could lease your land to them, would you live there or move ? Is it because they are in PA or somewhere 2000 miles away that makes it ok ... ?


G-man, its 20 miles away - its called the Eagle Ford Shale, and my brothers properties are right in the middle of it. And if I had property that they wanted to drill on, I would do it in a heart beat - and move. But move because I don't like the noise. There is so much business going on there that those little towns are nuts now - there are new restaurants, electrical supply businesses, drug stores, hotels, movie theatres, coffee shops , bars, real estate offices, its crazy that the places we used to for peace and quiet are booming now. There is a large lake in the middle of it and even now in drought periods , lots of the oil field workers are going there to rest and fish and drink and bar be que. And for reference information, the Rolling Stone - is just a notch about the New York Times for worthlessness - except to clean up my pets mess.
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by DonnieS » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:55 pm

GIMNEPIWO wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-big-fracking-bubble-the-scam-behind-the-gas-boom-20120301

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... e-20120306


G-man, the clue here as to the worth of this information is that this is covered under Politics. That's pretty funny all by itself.

Have a good one, got to focus on getting some products ready. Girls got their first games this week, DD2 first of her college years, and DD1, first in two years.
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by GIMNEPIWO » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:59 pm

jonriv wrote:There is regs
US Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking) Regulations Handbook, 2012

For the prevention of groundwater contamination from the chemicals used in the hydraulic fracturing process, both the federal and state regulatory bodies have enacted laws. At the federal level, the laws enacted are the Safe Water Drinking Act and Clean Water Act. At the state level, the rules and regulations in place require the operators of the well to have proper casing and cementing of the hydraulically fractured well, in order to prevent leakage of the fracking fluid into ground-water. Rules have also been framed for the proper disposal of the flow-back water for operators carrying out hydraulic fracturing.

The scope of this report includes: hydraulic fracturing regulations in the US at the federal level and the acts enacted for environmental and public health protection; The regulatory bodies in Colorado, Texas, Pennsylvania, North Dakota, New York, Arkansas, Michigan, Ohio, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Alabama for hydraulic fracturing activities; and The rules and regulations framed at the state level in Colorado, Texas, Pennsylvania, North Dakota, New York, Arkansas, Michigan, Ohio, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Alabama for environmental and public health protection.

This report offers comprehensive information on hydraulic fracturing regulations applicable in the US both at the federal and state level. The report provides information on the regulatory bodies supervising hydraulic fracturing operations and laws and acts enacted for the regulation of fracking operations. The report also provides information related to the current state-level regulatory bodies and the policies framed for protecting the environment and public health from the potential impacts of fracking.

An Executive Summary for this report and free sample pages from the full document are available at http://www.giiresearch.com/report/gd259 ... tions.html


Wow .. pretty tough regs ... the well has to have a casing ? ... HFS ? How can big biz handle that ? Show me the regs on the chemicals that they are putting in the ground ...
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by GIMNEPIWO » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:01 pm

Dugout Dad wrote:
GIMNEPIWO wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-big-fracking-bubble-the-scam-behind-the-gas-boom-20120301

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... e-20120306

Rollingstone, really? I would figure this would be under their Science and Research section.


Okay ... Show me something positive about fracking that was not funded by the gas companies or someone that has a vested interest ...
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by GIMNEPIWO » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:05 pm

DonnieS wrote:
GIMNEPIWO wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-big-fracking-bubble-the-scam-behind-the-gas-boom-20120301

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... e-20120306


G-man, the clue here as to the worth of this information is that this is covered under Politics. That's pretty funny all by itself.

Have a good one, got to focus on getting some products ready. Girls got their first games this week, DD2 first of her college years, and DD1, first in two years.


DD is in Georgia nest week ... Florida the week after and then back in VA & NC ... HS team is shaping up, tryouts next week ... 3rd oldest DD is my Asst. Coach ... 5th oldest who helped me last year is a volunteer coach but cant commit to a paid job ... We have no pitching, hitting, fielding or speed ... This team has not one a district game in 10 years, so we have no where to go but up ... ;)
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