BearsDad wrote:No outs no one on base, throw to first pulls the firstbaseman off the bag. there is a tag attempt. the BU calls the runner safe. the PU imediatley calls her out. whos call is it? doesn't there have to be an appeal for him to change it?
MTR wrote:BearsDad wrote:No outs no one on base, throw to first pulls the firstbaseman off the bag. there is a tag attempt. the BU calls the runner safe. the PU imediatley calls her out. whos call is it? doesn't there have to be an appeal for him to change it?
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This is a judgment call, so there is no "appeal". However, if the umpire making the call believes there is the possibility that s/he missed or was blocked from an element of the play, that umpire may ask for more information from his/her partners. If the new information gives the umpire with the original call cause to correct the call, only s/he may do so.
At no time is the any umpire permitted to "over rule" another umpire's call.
Anti-Clone wrote:An umpire can initiate a conversation with another umpire in order to discuss the application and interpretation of a rule.
An umpire cannot simply overturn another umpires call. They get away with this from time to time in football and basketball, but not baseball or softball.
GIMNEPIWO wrote:Anti-Clone wrote:An umpire can initiate a conversation with another umpire in order to discuss the application and interpretation of a rule.
An umpire cannot simply overturn another umpires call. They get away with this from time to time in football and basketball, but not baseball or softball.
NFHS 10-3-G ... Interesting that the PU can " make final decision on points not covered by the rules " ... It seems they should also make a final decision on points that are covered by the rules ...
Anti-Clone wrote:GIMNEPIWO wrote:Anti-Clone wrote:An umpire can initiate a conversation with another umpire in order to discuss the application and interpretation of a rule.
An umpire cannot simply overturn another umpires call. They get away with this from time to time in football and basketball, but not baseball or softball.
NFHS 10-3-G ... Interesting that the PU can " make final decision on points not covered by the rules " ... It seems they should also make a final decision on points that are covered by the rules ...
No. The reason it says "plate umpire" is because if something isn't covered and the umpires can't agree on it, there needs to be a final decision and it's the plate umpire who decides.
Just like the plate umpire is solely responsible for determining whether a field is playable in most associations. That doesn't mean that both umpires can discuss it. It means that if they can't decide, the plate umpire gets to make the final decision.
Your proposal that the plate umpire be able to have the final decision on every call is preposterous.
GIMNEPIWO wrote:Anti-Clone wrote:GIMNEPIWO wrote:Anti-Clone wrote:An umpire can initiate a conversation with another umpire in order to discuss the application and interpretation of a rule.
An umpire cannot simply overturn another umpires call. They get away with this from time to time in football and basketball, but not baseball or softball.
NFHS 10-3-G ... Interesting that the PU can " make final decision on points not covered by the rules " ... It seems they should also make a final decision on points that are covered by the rules ...
No. The reason it says "plate umpire" is because if something isn't covered and the umpires can't agree on it, there needs to be a final decision and it's the plate umpire who decides.
Just like the plate umpire is solely responsible for determining whether a field is playable in most associations. That doesn't mean that both umpires can discuss it. It means that if they can't decide, the plate umpire gets to make the final decision.
Your proposal that the plate umpire be able to have the final decision on every call is preposterous.
Didn't say that ... So, either you're a hose head or misunderstood, or I mis-spoke ... What I am trying to say, is that if a BU mis-interprets the rules and the plate umpire knows this, shouldn't he be able to reverse the call ( after conference ) to manage the game,avoid protests, get the call right, etc. ...