Out or Not

[BANDITO99]

Batter up at the plate with runner on third, the defensive team attempts to pick off runner at 3rd base after the pitch is delivered while the batter at the plate stays in the box catcher throws down hitting batter at the plate on top of the helmet sending the ball to left field over 3rd base. What is the ruling on this did the batter at the plate interfere in anyway by just standing in the box? I can understand if the batter backed out of the box, but the batter stayed in the box and did not know a pickoff attempt by the catcher was being made. need some help on this call??

Another situation bases loaded 2 outs score is 4 to 2 batter at the plate hits a line drive double to the fence clearing the bases making the score 5 to 4, opposing team comes out and says that the runner on second missed 3rd base field umpire calls her out supposedly ending the inning which would have ended the game with the score 4 to 3 since the only runner that scored was the runner on 3rd, but homeplate umpire says 2 runs scored and that the runner that missed the base and is out was the runner on 1st base therefore making the score 4 to 4.
Because both umpires ruled differently could the offensive team at the time called an invalid appeal by the defensive team since both umpires ruled differently meaning the inning would not have ended and play continue with the runner at 2nd base and still 2 outs allowing all 3 runs to score making the actual score 5 to 4 in favor of the offensive team ?? Need help on this ruling.

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[3Bsnag]

The first scenario is a judgment call, but in the exact situation you describe, there was no interference. A good catcher knows the proper footwork for pickoffs at 1st and 3rd, or throws a little elbow if the batter moves in her way.

[nohesitation]

Another situation bases loaded 2 outs score is 4 to 2 batter at the plate hits a line drive double to the fence clearing the bases making the score 5 to 4, opposing team comes out and says that the runner on second missed 3rd base field umpire calls her out supposedly ending the inning which would have ended the game with the score 4 to 3 since the only runner that scored was the runner on 3rd, but homeplate umpire says 2 runs scored and that the runner that missed the base and is out was the runner on 1st base therefore making the score 4 to 4.
Because both umpires ruled differently could the offensive team at the time called an invalid appeal by the defensive team since both umpires ruled differently meaning the inning would not have ended and play continue with the runner at 2nd base and still 2 outs allowing all 3 runs to score making the actual score 5 to 4 in favor of the offensive team ?? Need help on this ruling.

Thanks

From what you observed this seems like a break down in umpire team work. Two umpire system, bases full, base ump(behind 3b, then button hook to infield) has 1B and 2B for leaving early, then should be looking catch/ no catch on the hit to the out field. Plate ump has missing a base. It was not the base umps call at third, first mistake. Plate ump has final say, so play stands as is. Thats my guess.

[MTR]

Speaking ASA

Batter up at the plate with runner on third, the defensive team attempts to pick off runner at 3rd base after the pitch is delivered while the batter at the plate stays in the box catcher throws down hitting batter at the plate on top of the helmet sending the ball to left field over 3rd base. What is the ruling on this did the batter at the plate interfere in anyway by just standing in the box? I can understand if the batter backed out of the box, but the batter stayed in the box and did not know a pickoff attempt by the catcher was being made. need some help on this call??

If the batter did not "actively hinder" (do something to interfere), it is nothing, but a DMC.

Another situation bases loaded 2 outs score is 4 to 2 batter at the plate hits a line drive double to the fence clearing the bases making the score 5 to 4, opposing team comes out and says that the runner on second missed 3rd base field umpire calls her out supposedly ending the inning which would have ended the game with the score 4 to 3 since the only runner that scored was the runner on 3rd,

Not so. The out means R2 failed to safely advance to a base forced for the 3rd out which means no runs score. (5.5.B.1)

but homeplate umpire says 2 runs scored and that the runner that missed the base and is out was the runner on 1st base therefore making the score 4 to 4.

That would be true if the defense appealed that runner missing the base. According to the given scenario, they did not.

Because both umpires ruled differently could the offensive team at the time called an invalid appeal by the defensive team since both umpires ruled differently meaning the inning would not have ended and play continue with the runner at 2nd base and still 2 outs allowing all 3 runs to score making the actual score 5 to 4 in favor of the offensive team ?? Need help on this ruling.

Don't know where you came up with that, but to answer your question, no. The umpires should have gotten together, discussed the situation and determined a final ruling. As previously noted, the plate umpire is the "crew chief" and has the final say. Under both circumstances, there is a possible protest to be had here. If the protest is upheld (and I cannot see anyway it could not be), the protest committee will correct the situation and resume play from that point.

[nwthyde]

""Another situation bases loaded 2 outs score is 4 to 2 batter at the plate hits a line drive double to the fence clearing the bases making the score 5 to 4, opposing team comes out and says that the runner on second missed 3rd base field umpire calls her out supposedly ending the inning which would have ended the game with the score 4 to 3 since the only runner that scored was the runner on 3rd, but homeplate umpire says 2 runs scored and that the runner that missed the base and is out was the runner on 1st base therefore making the score 4 to 4.""



Wouldn't this fall into the catagory of a "live ball appeal", and be a timing play? (similar to a tag up) and thus making the score 4 to 4 regardless of who missed the base? And if not, why, because of the "force out" at 3rd?

[MTR]

""Another situation bases loaded 2 outs score is 4 to 2 batter at the plate hits a line drive double to the fence clearing the bases making the score 5 to 4, opposing team comes out and says that the runner on second missed 3rd base field umpire calls her out supposedly ending the inning which would have ended the game with the score 4 to 3 since the only runner that scored was the runner on 3rd, but homeplate umpire says 2 runs scored and that the runner that missed the base and is out was the runner on 1st base therefore making the score 4 to 4.""

Wouldn't this fall into the catagory of a "live ball appeal", and be a timing play? (similar to a tag up) and thus making the score 4 to 4 regardless of who missed the base? And if not, why, because of the "force out" at 3rd?

The type of appeal is irrelevant in this case, but it sounds as if this is a dead ball appeal.

ASA 5.5.B states that no run shall score if the 3rd out of the inning is the result of the BR failing to reach 1B safely or a runner is put out prior to safely reaching the base to which s/he is forced.

[anonlooker]

ASA 5.5.B states that no run shall score if the 3rd out of the inning is the result of the BR failing to reach 1B safely or a runner is put out prior to safely reaching the base to which s/he is forced.

So is this to say that if any base runner is ruled out for missing a bag, then no runs score?

Or does this only apply if they miss the first bag they are running to? For instance, if it's ruled the runner who started on first tagged second, but then missed third, on her way to the plate, then will any runs be allowed?