jonriv wrote:aparent wrote:I read quite a bit, I don't come to positions like this lightly. Speaking of stereotypes, you assumed that this is based on bigotry and it is not, this is not cultural, this is a firm belief that a doctrine that teaches the things that Islam does is simply wrong. So yes, I have read enough of the beliefs of the religion, looked at enough studies, seen enough carnage to be comfortable that I have given a fair shake to Islam. I spent most of my life believing all religions are equal and that Islam is misunderstood, but time and again something horrific happens and the perpetrators are muslim.
So you can compare it to the Spanish inquisition, that is actually pretty accurate, but that was what 500 years ago? Why has Christianity moved past the "killing for religion" phase and Islam is still mired in it? I think it is because the TEACHINGS of Christ and the TEACHINGS of Mohammed are two entirely different things.
so you want studies, there are two major ones I read when I looked into this...one if from the PEW research center..
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
I forget the other one but i will try to find it, it had polls of world wide muslims and asked specific questions about beliefs on stoning, beheading etc and the results were frightening.
Perhaps you should actually read the entire article you cite? It actually contradicts your hypothesis
I don't think so. I think it supports everything I have been saying quite well.
I am sure you are referring to the part where Muslims are asked if they support bombing (I think it was specifically suicide bombing but I may recall incorrectly) in defense of Islam and most of them say "rarely or never". Think about that. why would rarely and never be lumped together in the results? Shouldn't this be NEVER?
two things to think about here, what is defense of Islam? I see a very broad interpretation of what is considered OFFENSE to Islam, a book (Satanic Verses), cartoons. Etc. So when we are asked about defense of America for instance, we interpret it as say a country invading us or some other reason that would truly endanger our well being. they interpret it as someone SAYING something that offends Mohammed or their faith. so it is equivalent to me saying I rarely get in fights when offended, I only fight 1 time a day and I am offended 100 times a day. Yeah....1 out of 100 is rare but that is still a pretty high frequency of fights.
The other thing to think about is why lump rare and never together. Is it perhaps because the RARE response was quite high and would paint a far different picture if graphed? Picture your response if you say that thise graphs were 5-never, 85- rarely and 10-often?
So thanks for the encouragement to read....I return it with an encouragement to think.