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[Phantom]

To All Rebel Parents -

The Rebel Chant is not a cheer.

It intimidates and frightens many of the opposing players. And you know this.

You must. You can see it in the eyes of the opposing pitcher when she glances up at the phalanx of screaming adults in your bleachers.

You employ the chant to kick the other team when they're down.

It is unsportsmanlike at this age level.

It is the primary reason incidents such as the one Sunday always seem to involve your team.

It is the reason your team is the most reviled in SoCal Travel Ball.

It reflects poorly on your yourselves, your coaches, and most importantly, your daughters.

Parents don't respond well when their children are being frightened and intimidated by a group of adults.

The Rebel Chant is not a cheer, it is a provocation.

If you weren't aware before this, you are now.

In the future, please conduct yourselves accordingly.

I AGREE WITH THIS 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[upurbox]

Ghetto Rebels? No, wait...how about...idiots?

I witnessed this and i'm not part of either teams, but ghetto rebels? this was over 1 corona angel parent that could not be controlled.

Thank you and I have had NUMEROUS parents and Corona Angel parents already write us an apologize. If it was the "ghetto Rebels," why did CA parents apologize? Just curious on that. The tournament director took both sides and after hearing our side allowed us to continue playing so if we were at fault, why were we not kicked out? Add everything up and common sense tells you that the losing team was probably frustrated much more than the Rebels.

Since we have completely turned this on the Rebels, which we all knew would happen, what would you have done differently? If a guy comes running, full speed, already swinging, 200 feet on our side of the field, what was the correct reaction? That is what I would like to know.

PLUS THE GUY WAS WASTED DRUNK!!

Talk about ghetto....taking the blame from this ONE parent to the Rebels is ghetto and defending his "act" because you do not like the Rebels is super ghetto. I hope he gets what he deserves...a direct arrest to jail.

I believe Cleanup said "he was sober"....so something had to really tick him off

[jefe]

PS put up 19 on a group of 12U dealing with watching 2 of thier moms get knockd on thier arses? Excellente to the PS kids, coaches bad job. That seems a little excessive.

[anonlooker]

Thank you and I have had NUMEROUS parents and Corona Angel parents already write us an apologize. If it was the "ghetto Rebels," why did CA parents apologize? Just curious on that. The tournament director took both sides and after hearing our side allowed us to continue playing so if we were at fault, why were we not kicked out? Add everything up and common sense tells you that the losing team was probably frustrated much more than the Rebels.

Two things:

First, the CA coaches / parents most likely apologized because they understand a member of their "team family" was in part responsible for the incident. Apologizing would be the stand-up thing to do. Did any Rebel parents or coaches apologize for their role?

Second, when I add everything up, common sense tells me to get the children out of there, as quickly as possible. Take them somewhere they feel safe, where you can discuss what happened.

Putting them back out on the field, and subjecting them to the beating they took, is unconscionable. What the hell were you thinking?

[peacenlove]

Charges are being checked into..The people involved are concerned about it causing more issues for the little girl whose father did the assault. The kid is their concern first. If the organization handles it, I would say that is fine.. But if they are going to throw blame on ours for what happened, then I say file charges! As soon as that guy made the decision to run across the field and hit someone, it was totally on him. Accept responsibility for your choices.


I don't think anyone is trying to lay blame only on yours. But, the Rebels have to take some responsibility for not controlling the mouth of their parent, they didn't even come over to get him away from the stands during the first altercation, just let him go on and on he walked away laughing, while the Angels parent was being restrained. Obviously, there are variations of the story, everyone sees only what they directly experience and don't see the entire situation. When the Rebel's parent continued to call the Angels parent out, the Angels parent should have left the field, instead he made a huge mistake and ran over to meet the challenge. There are eye-witnesses not affiliated with either team that state they were in a heated verbal battle when other Rebel parents boxed him in, push came to shove and fists started flying with women in the middle, etc. Very ugly.... BUT, it all comes down to the Angels parent should have just left regardless of anything being said and shouldn't have said and done the things he did in the stands either.

This whole thing about don't blame us, going back and forth etc. is stupid, we all have our opinions and perceptions. IMO both parents need to accept responsibility for their own actions, if other Rebels parents took the Angels parent down because they needed to, then they did what they thought they had to do. If someone from the Rebels pushed him during the heated exchange, then that wasn't very smart and if they started beating on him Rodney King style while he was down, then that's another matter. Like I said, lots of variations, but we will leave it up to the unaffiliated eye witnesses to clarify what they saw because all of us were too busy calming the kids down.

The teams need to make their own decisions based upon what actually happened and that might take a few days for things to cool down, talking to witnesses and so forth. Those decisions will be made by the coaches/organizations, not any of us on HB.

Obviously you’re only representing your team (Corona Angels)…..I was there, you are lying, be for real or don’t post anymore, you’re making a fool out of yourself. What matters is that a bunch of girls witness this incident, two adult females got hurt, and you’re going to sit there and defend him. How are you still part of this organization (Corona Angels)? You’re making no sense! There are plenty of witnesses who will say the truth….like I said earlier doesn’t matter if your part of the Rebels or Corona Angels.

[goodeye]

Thank you and I have had NUMEROUS parents and Corona Angel parents already write us an apologize. If it was the "ghetto Rebels," why did CA parents apologize? Just curious on that. The tournament director took both sides and after hearing our side allowed us to continue playing so if we were at fault, why were we not kicked out? Add everything up and common sense tells you that the losing team was probably frustrated much more than the Rebels.

Two things:

First, the CA coaches / parents most likely apologized because they understand a member of their "team family" was in part responsible for the incident. Apologizing would be the stand-up thing to do. Did any Rebel parents or coaches apologize for their role?

Second, when I add everything up, common sense tells me to get the children out of there, as quickly as possible. Take them somewhere they feel safe, where you can discuss what happened.

Putting them back out on the field, and subjecting them to the beating they took, is unconscionable. What the hell were you thinking?

Exactly what I have been thinking. Think this incident had anything to do with the "10 errors" mentioned earlier in this thread?

[hotwheels]

I hear what you are saying but you are acting like your team had no fault here.....Don't taunt the other team....That didn't help things.....You guys were both way out of line and both parties are to blame not just one team.......DON'T BLAME.....FIX!

Nobody taunted anyone except the Angels taunting the Rebels (1 Angel coach and 1 Angel parent). Bottom line. After the "taunting" got OUT OF CONTROL BY ONE ANGEL PARENT, the Rebel parents defended our kids by telling this drunk fool to shut up. This is when he rushed to our side trying to fight in the stands. He was held back, but he obviously wanted more when he ran at our crowd.

Hotwheels, I am not sure if you are a man or a woman but if you are a man, and some lunatic ran as fast as possible, swung and hit your daughters FEMALE coach, and another MOM on the team, would you have tried to stop him or would you try and discuss things calmly when he's swinging at your wife? Just curious.

Yes, you are absolutely correct but at that point it's too late. Of course I would a fighting madman at that point but I was mainly referring to prior to it getting to that point...I was responding to what someone who probably wasn't there either wrote but what they had said was that after the game there were Rebels parents yelling at this Angel parent from across the field. Then the Angel parent took off running at them....

My point was if they weren't yelling at him from across the would he have still charged over there??? Possibly but maybe not....I was only trying to say that in situations/conflicts like this it ALWAYS takes to two....Very, very rarely is it one sided....

I think the Rebels (If this is even true by the way) had the responsibility of not taunting him when the situation was hot to begin with.....The Angel parent has his own responsibilities that caused his part too....Him charging over is whole other crazy issue!

[AM Softball]

Coach Kenny wasn't talking to Aimee or the dugout, he was telling his batters something to which Aimee took offense to and she addressed him first, then he responded, then Aimee complained to the umpire.

The parent who started yelling Aimees name I can only surmise was in response to all the Rebel parents screaming their REBELS chant when they rallied in the 2nd inning - I assume it was to show the same respect to the coach that trying to confuse and intimidate with the team chant is meant to do to the opposite team. No other Angels parents were out of control, they were trying to difuse the situation between the two parents. Aimee's boyfriend did approach the Angels side of the stands first when the parent started yelling "sucks" after Rebels parents were screaming/chanting AIMEE after the game and yelling back "Sucks What?" and then it got really ugly.

Bad behavior on both people and no excuse at all for this unfortunate occurance at ANY type of sports event, let alone 12U girls softball.

Wow, once again this is innacurate and it is funny how ALL Rebel parents saw it the same way but obviously all CA parents did not, seeing that we've already had letters from some of them saying this parent is crazy and they were so sorry for what he did. It's also funny how Kenny apologized to numerous parents of the Rebel team. Why would he do that if he was right and we were wrong? I didn't apologize because we had nothing to apologize for.

Sidenote: I was really hoping you would stay out of it, you should have and you didn't, but don't get up here and start comprimising the story when you weren't there to hear it.

He was yelling to his batters, she's hittable, she's leaving the change hanging, she's hittable, as other CA parents yelled she's slow, we can hit her. Whenever you talk about the kids and not your own team, you are asking for trouble. Coach your team and leave the other players out of it. Twice, we yelled good plays to Kenny's daughter and their catcher so we were not talking trash about the CA players. Kenny daughter also came up to me, AFTER this occurred in the stands, and gave me a hug and said good game; I hugged her and said I am sorry that this happened in front of you guys (but her own dad could have diffused the situation earlier).

I didn't address him first, I yelled to my daughter, the pitcher, to not let him talk about her like that and to back it up. He then proceeded to talk and talk to me and our dugout, in front of our kids. Words were exchanged and when I said, why don't you just be quiet, his EXACT WORDS were, I don't have to. I love playing you. I can talk all I want to you guys. Now that's classy.

That is when we threatened to take our team and just forfeit. The umpire asked me if he called me names or threatened me. When I said no, but he's facing our dugout talking and talking and talking, the umpire said he could not do anything about that if he wanted to yell at our dugout, which was pretty ridiculous as well. It's like a hoop game when you just let the emotions rise. They could have stopped it long before that.

Winning doesn't mean that much to us and that's why is is HILARIOUS you think we do that cheer to intimidate. We don't need to intimidate little girls at 12u and we don't need to yell at 12u pitchers on the mound while we are on offense. How can the cheer be so bad but yelling at our pitchers be ok? Come on cleanup, you weren't too mad cause you were on our side quite often joking with our parents during the game and it was AFTER the so called mean Rebel cheer in the 2nd.

[Clean_up]

This is for Clean_up and LA FAMILIA

Clean_up says:
Coach Kenny wasn't talking to Aimee or the dugout, he was telling his batters something to which Aimee took offense to and she addressed him first, then he responded, then Aimee complained to the umpire.

Hmmmmm, I guess Amie made this all up just to be mean huh or the 14 little girls who also heard him (Are you calling them liars too?) Kenny was taunting point blank lady you were sitting next too the disgruntle parent and the motor mouth score keeper for the Angels. The whole time the score keeper was taunting how slow the Rebels pitcher was and that we can hit her all day. I guess you didn't hear that part because you were sitting so close too her huh? Why didn't you use common sense and say something to him when he was yelling Amie's name??? Like I said he made it personal. (I think a parent has a video on his blackberry if you want too get technical about it. At this point he or she don't mind at all too expose you.) . If they do the Rebel chant so what????? They only do it to cheer their team on. It's nothing wrong with that stop reaching........

Actually, I have many times seen and heard fans cheer for their team. The Rebels chant is annoying, loud and meant to distract the opposing team and it is successful. I was just guessing on why he started yelling her name, it was rude and personal against her, you are correct and IMO uncalled for. Spell check? Who really cares how she spells her name, seriously? Besides spell check shows AMY.

I see now you have a problem with The Rebels chant, LOL I'm sorry that you are intimated by it. Please don't go too any sports event or professional games outside of softball you might have a nervous break down lady!!! One minute you try too sound all righteous about things and the next minute sneaking your little blows in about the Rebels. (Snake) WOW is Amie the only word you misspelled I think not, LMAO Go back and look again!!! LOL


LA FAMILIA says: just to confirm that CA Rebels have the most GHETTO CREW AND COACHES


The only word that comes out of your mouth is GHETTO hmmmmm do you know anything else?? Ghetto this, Ghetto that! If I look in the dictionary for the word GHETTO would I see a picture of you???? I think everyone on here needs to treat you a little different, because you are a very special person. Figure that one out GHETTO BOY!!

I don't know who you are or why you are trying to make this all about me. Personal issue with me? uh, okay. Motormouth scorekeeper was a 16 year old teenager, so what she said the girls can hit her all day long? That kind of stuff is said in games all the time, what's the big deal? Coach says pitches are very hittable to his own batters, what's the big deal? Rebels chant is annoying and it's meant to distract and intimidate players, so what - is it not? Taking little digs at the Rebels? I think not, just pointing out that it's not all one sided and that each person involved needs to take responsibility for their own actions. Spell check? Whatever.

[kevin]

Anyone have have video of the "REBEL" chant they can post on Youtube I've gotta see this.