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by Sam » Tue May 26, 2020 7:59 am

This is what happens when people depend on the news broadcasters instead of actually looking at the data. The media has people scared $hitless because of a flu. This isn't Ebola.....it is anything BUT an automatic death sentence if you contract the virus. People with issues that get ANY kind of flu can be in danger. We have flu shots....lots of people still die from influenza....its just the way it is. Why are the Blue States the only ones overreacting? Why is the media working with them? Why is the MI Governor telling everyone to stay at home....while her husband gets a contractor to launch their boat on a lake for the Memorial Day weekend? They know there is no more danger to socialize than there is to drive your car to the store.

Well....it worked. This "New Norm" .....trying to destroy the economy over nothing....it's meant to do one thing and one thing only.....and it will magically disappear the day after election day....whether Trump wins or not. And when this doesn't work...prepare for another impeachment trial.

The data is the data....even when you consider that the death totals are grossly overstated.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 8:52 am

Sam wrote:This is what happens when people depend on the news broadcasters instead of actually looking at the data. The media has people scared $hitless because of a flu. This isn't Ebola.....it is anything BUT an automatic death sentence if you contract the virus. People with issues that get ANY kind of flu can be in danger. We have flu shots....lots of people still die from influenza....its just the way it is. Why are the Blue States the only ones overreacting? Why is the media working with them? Why is the MI Governor telling everyone to stay at home....while her husband gets a contractor to launch their boat on a lake for the Memorial Day weekend? They know there is no more danger to socialize than there is to drive your car to the store.

Well....it worked. This "New Norm" .....trying to destroy the economy over nothing....it's meant to do one thing and one thing only.....and it will magically disappear the day after election day....whether Trump wins or not. And when this doesn't work...prepare for another impeachment trial.

The data is the data....even when you consider that the death totals are grossly overstated.


Sam- perhaps you should look at data and real life stories instead of the BS conspiracy theories you have engulfed yourself in. This is not the flu(read the data) You cherry pick stories and outlier events to further your nonsense. You fail to realize or acknowledge that the risk is not to the players, but to every other person that they will come in contact with- Wake the F up already!! Go back in your cave, put back on the tinfoil and continue your pathetic, self serving frightened existence.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 9:07 am

Spazsdad wrote:Gov Gruesome also said school may start end of July early August which would also hinder nationals.
50% of deaths in CA are 60 and over. OC has had around 40 deaths in total. The mass hysteria is completely unwarranted. The government will keep the screws on as long as possible to try and force is into some socialist utopia “new normal”


This was April 28th- now the death total is 131- nice leap in just under a month, according to Sam and Spaz they're just old people anyway-right? With OCs relatively low impact, why the hell would you want to bring in a bunch of possibly infected outsiders? Brilliant...….
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by Sam » Tue May 26, 2020 9:53 am

jonriv wrote:
Spazsdad wrote:Gov Gruesome also said school may start end of July early August which would also hinder nationals.
50% of deaths in CA are 60 and over. OC has had around 40 deaths in total. The mass hysteria is completely unwarranted. The government will keep the screws on as long as possible to try and force is into some socialist utopia “new normal”


This was April 28th- now the death total is 131- nice leap in just under a month, according to Sam and Spaz they're just old people anyway-right? With OCs relatively low impact, why the hell would you want to bring in a bunch of possibly infected outsiders? Brilliant...….


The facts:

131 COVID-related Deaths
75% are 65 or older
5,157 diagnosed with the virus
97.5% diagnosed recover
3.2 million residents in OC
over 100,000 people tested for COVID

So your chances of actually contracting the virus are about 1.6 in 1,000
Your chances of dying from the virus are 0.0004%

I am personally terrified.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 10:07 am

[quoteSo your chances of actually contracting the virus are about 1.6 in 1,000
Your chances of dying from the virus are 0.0004% ][/quote]

Unless you interact with a large number of people or attend a large gathering. You don't think that the nationwide lockdown has had an effect on the spread?

Again, cherry picking and burying under big numbers does not make it right.

A small percent of a big number is a big number

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by skwiggy21 » Tue May 26, 2020 10:45 am

"Unless you interact with a large number of people or attend a large gathering"

Holy shit how effing difficult is this??? Then DON'T interact with a large number of people. DON'T interact with someone who HAS interacted with a large number of people. If YOU are not sure since people can be asymptomatic...then STAY in your house. DON'T attend a simple friendly, or regional tournament, or a national tournament. But why should you or the state/county make that choice for everyone else with the current state and current numbers? You make a choice and take care of your own and others will do the same as they seem fit,.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 11:05 am

skwiggy21 wrote:"Unless you interact with a large number of people or attend a large gathering"

Holy shit how effing difficult is this??? Then DON'T interact with a large number of people. DON'T interact with someone who HAS interacted with a large number of people. If YOU are not sure since people can be asymptomatic...then STAY in your house. DON'T attend a simple friendly, or regional tournament, or a national tournament. But why should you or the state/county make that choice for everyone else with the current state and current numbers? You make a choice and take care of your own and others will do the same as they seem fit,.


Because those people interact with other people, who interact with other people...……

It is effing simple, until we get this thing under control or there is a vaccine, we are going to have to adjust our behaviors. That means washing your hands and social distancing will be the norm. As I said before, a game between 2 teams and limited spectators makes sense- bringing in several hundred people from all over the place does not. This is not just about yourself-it's about everyone you have contact with. The sooner we get on board with this the sooner we get the damn economy moving.

We are opening up here where I am and people for the most parts are adhering to the guideline-its not that tough. Its not because they are terrified-its because they know what's going on. It makes sense to be cautious and take proper precautions
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 11:14 am

Travel and large gatherings are an issue-

UPDATED: May 3, 2020 at 12:40 a.m.



The CDC’s No. 2 official is pointing to the now-infamous Biogen conference hosted at the Marriott Long Wharf in Boston as a major event that contributed to the spread of the coronavirus.

“During the last week of February, several large events led to further spread of the disease. These included … an international professional conference held in Boston, Massachusetts, with approximately 175 attendees,” wrote Dr. Anne Schuchat, second in command at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in an article the CDC posted Friday.

She is referring to the Feb. 26-27 conference by the biotech company Biogen, where more than 100 of the 175 attendees were infected with the novel coronavirus, fueling the Massachusetts outbreak that has now spiraled into more than 66,000 cases.

Schuchat’s report said large gatherings of people followed by their return to home communities “played a notable role in the early U.S. spread of COVID-19.”She wrote that at that point in February, coronavirus cases in the United States were still low and federal and local governments didn’t restrict events or gatherings.

Along with the Biogen conference, Mardi Gras celebrations in Louisiana and a funeral in Georgia that had more than 100 attendees were events that led to COVID spread, Schuchat wrote.

“In the weeks after these events, amplifications in the host locations contributed to increasing U.S. case counts,” said Schuchat.

As the Herald has reported, about 175 Biogen managers coming from all over the world gathered for the late-February conference hosted by the biotech company about health care. In addition to Massachusetts, the meeting contributed to coronavirus spread in North Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana and Florida.

Since the incident, the company has donated millions to help the global pandemic response and last month, Biogen asked infected employees to give blood for a landmark COVID-19 study being conducted by the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, along with Partners HealthCare.



Schuchat’s report showed the U.S. government was slow to understand how much the coronavirus was spreading from Europe, which helped drive the acceleration of outbreaks across the nation.

“We clearly didn’t recognize the full importations that were happening,” Schuchat told The Associated Press following her article’s publication.

Schuchat noted that nearly 2 million travelers arrived in the U.S. from Italy and other European countries during February. The U.S. government didn’t block travel from there until March 11.

In addition to large events, Schuchat said travel, exposure to long-term care facilities and high-density areas and challenges in virus detection played a role in the national spread of the coronavirus.

“The extensive travel from Europe, once Europe was having outbreaks, really accelerated our importations and the rapid spread,” Schuchat said. “I think the timing of our travel alerts should have been earlier.”
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by skwiggy21 » Tue May 26, 2020 11:35 am

"Because those people interact with other people, who interact with other people...……"

Thank you Captain Obvious. Was unaware of how that worked. Again, if someone "knows whats going on" they should stay home and not interact with anyone who has possibly interacted with someone else etc...

"It is effing simple, until we get this thing under control or there is a vaccine"

"under control" is very subjective. And we have a flu "vaccine" and yet on average 40,000 die around the US every year. Is that considered "under control"?

"As I said before, a game between 2 teams and limited spectators makes sense- bringing in several hundred people from all over the place does not."

Cool on the 2 teams, I agree. I don't know too many people clamoring for tournaments where people from all over the place come to play. Seems to me most are ok with regional games. Even though there could still be "several hundred" people there, I think with the appropriate guidelines/protocols in place it would be safe. If someone disagrees and doesn't want to subject their daughter or indirectly their other family members....then don't do it...it's their choice.

"This is not just about yourself-it's about everyone you have contact with."

Didn't realize saying that it was up to the individual was making it all about myself. Still trying to wrap my head around that one, You're basically saying I am being selfish for an individual rights to choose.

"We are opening up here where I am and people for the most parts are adhering to the guideline-its not that tough. Its not because they are terrified-its because they know what's going on. It makes sense to be cautious and take proper precautions"

You're right...it's not that tough. Never said it was nor did I, or anyone else here, say we shouldn't take precautions. Let's be smart, let's be safe, but let's get this GOING. If people disagree, that is their choice.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 11:48 am

[quoteDidn't realize saying that it was up to the individual was making it all about myself. Still trying to wrap my head around that one, You're basically saying I am being selfish for an individual rights to choose. ][/quote]

If the choice of going to an event was just about risk for yourself- making that choice is fine. If you choose to do something for your "individual rights" but puts others in danger-that by definition is selfish. You are putting your rights over those of others.

Extreme example, but to make a point. You have the right to own a gun, but in only a few rare cases is it alright to shoot someone else with that gun- get the point

Since you are ok with not havening tournaments(which is the whole basis of this thread) then why the F you arguing!!!

All I have said all along is that we have a dangerous epidemic(covid kills at 10 times the rate of flu and killed more in three months then an entire year of flu-with quarantines) and that as we reopen- we need to be careful. That big events with lots of people do not make sense. Seems most of the major sports and corporations(as well as every major country in the world seem to agre
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