Manny Ramirez

[MTR]

To start, what crime? Using steriods is not illegal. Probably everyone who posts on this board has enjoyed the benefits of anabolic steroids at one time or another.

Steroids do not make you faster or stronger. They do not cause you to hit the ball better or farther. They do not cause you to catch or throw the ball with any more accuracy or speed.

Against the rules, sure, absolutely, positively assuming the organization in question has rules concerning it's use. However, many organizations have gone way, WAY overboard with the substances (many have nothing to do with steroids, but that is often the immediate default in the mind of real intelligent people ) which have been banned. It is just as ridiculous of insisting everyone who is pulled over for a DUI MUST have an alcohol consumption problems and need rehab (oh, yeah, lot of REAL intelligent people in this world).

Meanwhile, a guy who did nothing more than bet on his team to win (which, IMO, should be a contractual requirement of every sports professional, including management), is being kept out of the game and the HOF (yeah, lots of REAL, REAL intelligent people in this world.

And people wonder why I gave up on baseball 20 years ago

[Ace]

To start, what crime? Using steriods is not illegal. Probably everyone who posts on this board has enjoyed the benefits of anabolic steroids at one time or another.

Using prescription drugs for something other than their intended purpose is illegal. Taking Vicodin isnt illegal either, but you you buy them from your buddy and take five of them, dont be surprised when you get cuffed.


Steroids do not make you faster or stronger.

Um...... wow. Just.......wow.


Meanwhile, a guy who did nothing more than bet on his team to win (which, IMO, should be a contractual requirement of every sports professional, including management), is being kept out of the game and the HOF (yeah, lots of REAL, REAL intelligent people in this world.

100% agreed.. Pete Rose for President!

And people wonder why I gave up on baseball 20 years ago

[almosthuman]

From: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/51440127.html

No harm, no foul
Baseball statistician Bill James recently offered an unusual opinion about how the issue of steroids will affect who gets into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

"The use of steroids or other performance enhancing drugs will mean virtually nothing in the debate about who gets into the Hall of Fame and who does not," James wrote in a column he posted at his Web site.

James said he reached this conclusion when he was studying the aging patterns in the post-steroid era. He said in the steroid era many players had their best seasons beyond the age of 32, when at all other times players were hitting a wall in their early 30s.

"It means that steroids keep you young," James said. "You may not like to hear it stated that way, because steroids are evil, wicked, mean and nasty and youth is a good thing, but that's what it means. Steroids help the athlete resist the effects of aging. Well, if steroids help keep you young, what's wrong with that?"

James thinks since everyone wants to stay young, there will be drugs like steroids available for people to do that. Hence, if many people in the future routinely will be using steroids or descendents of steroids, they will look back on the steroid era in baseball and say, "So what?"

In addition, he argues some players who used steroids will get in the Hall, which makes it difficult to argue others who used must be kept out. Moreover, history will come to forgive steroids players and focus on the players' statistics.

[Dropn N]

If your DD has a nasal infection, the doctor prescribes nasal drops (steroids) If she has a bulging disk in her lower back or neck she get's steroidal injections. Is she a cheater?

[goodeye]

If your DD has a nasal infection, the doctor prescribes nasal drops (steroids) If she has a bulging disk in her lower back or neck she get's steroidal injections. Is she a cheater?

Yes.

[MTR]

Using prescription drugs for something other than their intended purpose is illegal. Taking Vicodin isnt illegal either, but you you buy them from your buddy and take five of them, dont be surprised when you get cuffed.

And if that is what I said, typed or insinuated, your response would be valid, but it wasn't and it isn't.

Steroids do not make you faster or stronger.

Um...... wow. Just.......wow.

You probably think they act like a can of Popeye's spinach.

Meanwhile, a guy who did nothing more than bet on his team to win (which, IMO, should be a contractual requirement of every sports professional, including management), is being kept out of the game and the HOF (yeah, lots of REAL, REAL intelligent people in this world.

100% agreed.. Pete Rose for President!

Oh, hell no. Great baseball player, however he does not retain that status in the human being catagory. The HOF should be about baseball, period!

[Blind Squirrel]

From: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/51440127.html

No harm, no foul
Baseball statistician Bill James recently offered an unusual opinion about how the issue of steroids will affect who gets into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

"The use of steroids or other performance enhancing drugs will mean virtually nothing in the debate about who gets into the Hall of Fame and who does not," James wrote in a column he posted at his Web site.

James said he reached this conclusion when he was studying the aging patterns in the post-steroid era. He said in the steroid era many players had their best seasons beyond the age of 32, when at all other times players were hitting a wall in their early 30s.

"It means that steroids keep you young," James said. "You may not like to hear it stated that way, because steroids are evil, wicked, mean and nasty and youth is a good thing, but that's what it means. Steroids help the athlete resist the effects of aging. Well, if steroids help keep you young, what's wrong with that?"

James thinks since everyone wants to stay young, there will be drugs like steroids available for people to do that. Hence, if many people in the future routinely will be using steroids or descendents of steroids, they will look back on the steroid era in baseball and say, "So what?"

In addition, he argues some players who used steroids will get in the Hall, which makes it difficult to argue others who used must be kept out. Moreover, history will come to forgive steroids players and focus on the players' statistics.

Perfect example of why everyone's stated opinions should be analyzed before believed, regardless of their "credentials." This guy's thinking/opinions are so flawed it is fascinating to me that he publishes under his own name (assuming he is). I think he should limit himself to recitation of statistics rather than making feeble, embarrassing attempts to reason using them.

John

[jtat32]

If your DD has a nasal infection, the doctor prescribes nasal drops (steroids) If she has a bulging disk in her lower back or neck she get's steroidal injections. Is she a cheater?

You do realize, of course, that anti-inflammatory steroids (glucocorticoids) and anabolic steroids are not the same thing, don't you?

[Demonboy]

Why is Manny being give a free pass???


this is a guy who was actually CAUGHT cheating.

nailed to the wall - 50 games. but the entire media and a lot of baseball seems almost giddy that he's back playing.

he's a cheater like bonds, roger, canseco, mcguire, sosa, etc.

why does he get a free pass?

because it's "just manny being manny?"

Bullshit!

Many people are finally becoming desensitized to the tired baseball steroid issue.
Thank god. Any more righteous indignation and I'm going to power puke.

[hotwheels]

I'm cycling off right now but you should see how fast I type when juicing....It is freaking amazing!