Pulling back a verbal

[CrushersDad]

Squirrel, DunninLA and Demon. I get it. the school that pulled the offer is wrong. I get it and I agree. There must be some other reason why the program pulled the verbal, I am sorry but I don't think we are getting the whole story. If the school is a top notch program, they wouldn't have done that without a GREAT reason. I believe that THAT is why the schools can't enter a written agreement before the kid is absolutely ready to take the offir!!!

My DD is a '13 grad and will be dealing with this crap soon enough. If I try to figure out what CAN go wrong NOW, maybe it will help when the chips are on the table.

[NORCALGOLD]

You can get a verbal offer and have it put in writing on school letter head where the coach and he player keeps a unsigned copy until NLI Day.
This is common and should be the norm for situations just like this. It is bad business to just pull a verbal unless the player compromised the offer some how wich happens alot.
I was aware of a verbal pulled from a senior just this week at surfcity because of bad grades and poor sat score so it happens.

[MTR]

From the NCAA.org FAQ on National Letter of Intent:

Can I make a verbal commitment to a school and sign a National Letter of Intent with a different school?

Yes. A verbal commitment, stating publicly one's intentions to attend a certain institution, is a non-binding, oral agreement between you and the institution. The only binding nature of the commitment is your word and the institution's promise. The National Letter of Intent program does not recognize verbal commitments. It is not uncommon for a student to verbally commit to one institution and subsequently sign a National Letter of Intent with another institution. And, on some occasions, a university may accept your verbal commitment and later offer the National Letter of Intent to another prospective student-athlete.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/NLI/Frequently+Asked+Questions/General/Can+I+make+a+verbal+commitment+to+a+school+and+sign+a+National+Letter+of+Intent+with+a+different+school

[LoneStarGreed]

One way to stop this from happening to other girls is to put the name of the college that did this on the internet.

[Blind Squirrel]

If I kid's grades/SATs are too low to be admitted or if they fall below what a coach has identified as a threshold, then it is the kid who screwed up. It is hardly the coaches fault. If after a kid verbals they elect to coast and not work on their game, gain 20 pounds of fat, not try to at least get good enough grades to meet the schools/coaches standards, etc. then the kid has made a big mistake and IMO deserves whatever happens.

Not clear on how an unsigned written agreement means any more than a verbal agreement.

One more thing I think is important when trying to put all of the recruiting info together: There is a whole lot of lying going on. Parents lie for a range of reasons and I think it is reasonable to assume some coaches do as well. Not everyone in either role. Parents lie about who is "interested", the level of interest, the amount of the offer, the reason(s) for their choice of school, etc. Sometimes lying to others is much easier than facing the truth yourself. I can imagine a situation where a parent who has been telling everyone for 2 years that their kid has verballed to some big name school only to have the kid's grades be the sole reason the kid ends up somewhere else. Then the parent tells everyone they have no idea why the coach suddenly gave the scholarship money to someone else. Their kid is just a poor victim. (That is absolutely NOT some veiled accusation about any kid I have ever heard of or known).

John

[MTR]

One way to stop this from happening to other girls is to put the name of the college that did this on the internet.

Yeah, if you are going to make unsubstantiated, one-sided complaints, why not offer the name of the slighted player, also? If you are going to need to hire a lawyer, you just as well get a twofer deal.

I don't understand why anyone would think the school is wrong. It's okay for the player to change their mind, but not the school about something that at one time wasn't supposed to happen and really has no official standing in the recruiting process?

[CrushersDad]

OK, thank you for the clarification.

My personal dream is for DD to get a verbal commitment from a PAC10 school sometime within the next 4 years. (she tells me that she wants to be a ******* or a ***** in college) because eventually I would like to stop paying

IF that is really her dream too AND if it happens, it is nice to know what that means.

[Demonboy]

Maybe it is just me but "verbal" is just that nothing more

It's just you.

Maybe so, but it is not called "verbal" for nothing.

Look I completely agree that if a school makes a verbal agreement with a player (junior or Senior in Highschool) then that school should honor the "verbal" contract. If the school does not, then bad school and we should know who the school is.

The truth of the matter is - if a school really wants a player, they will enter into a written contract, then there is no "pulling back".

IMO - if a school is not in a written contract with a player and a better player comes along then the school SHOULD sign the better player. If the school does anything other than that, they are not trying to field the best team possible.

It's called a verbal because softball players can not SIGN until November of their senior year.

The rest of your post tells me you've never been through or anywhere near the recruiting process in softball.

[Demonboy]

One way to stop this from happening to other girls is to put the name of the college that did this on the internet.

Yeah, if you are going to make unsubstantiated, one-sided complaints, why not offer the name of the slighted player, also? If you are going to need to hire a lawyer, you just as well get a twofer deal.

I don't understand why anyone would think the school is wrong. It's okay for the player to change their mind, but not the school about something that at one time wasn't supposed to happen and really has no official standing in the recruiting process?

Nothing like getting the f***ing umpire perspective on verbals.

[CrushersDad]

Maybe it is just me but "verbal" is just that nothing more

It's just you.

Maybe so, but it is not called "verbal" for nothing.

Look I completely agree that if a school makes a verbal agreement with a player (junior or Senior in Highschool) then that school should honor the "verbal" contract. If the school does not, then bad school and we should know who the school is.

The truth of the matter is - if a school really wants a player, they will enter into a written contract, then there is no "pulling back".

IMO - if a school is not in a written contract with a player and a better player comes along then the school SHOULD sign the better player. If the school does anything other than that, they are not trying to field the best team possible.

It's called a verbal because softball players can not SIGN until November of their senior year.

The rest of your post tells me you've never been through or anywhere near the recruiting process in softball

Thank you for the great information!

You are correct that DD isn't in the recruiting process but she will be in the near future.

Posts like yours make my job as her finance company soooooo much easier!