Gulf Coast Blue wrote:Clint.....I have been acquainted with MTR, Bret, Tony, both Steves, and Hugo for close to 15 years.
Three of them are clinicians (and many of the rest of us have taught at various other clinics) and two have/do serve on the ASA National Rules committee. I have attended several ASA State Umpiring Schools, along with two National Schools.
I can assure you (but I doubt you will take my word for it), that the interpretations you have gotten from these fine folks are the correct and proper way to handle the situation outlined in the OP.
Good luck in your umpiring future.
And if you cannot sleep at night because you disagree with the way a rule is interpreted by the NUS. Do everyone a favor and stay home and get a good nights rest.
Joel
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Never argue with idiots...they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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If you read the whole posts I have already made a couple of concessions concerning a proper appeal and that was what the whole argument has been about. But I have also cited at least 2 live appeal plays that did not require a "secondary action", "Known Intent", or "verbalization". The Live Appeal just took place as prescribed in the rulebook.
AND I ALSO KNOW there are situations when play has become relaxed and they do something that is not normal progression of play, then I would have to require some form of verbalization of what they are attempting to do.
They have tried to trip me up on that 1st to 3rd situation where the defender brushes up agaisnt 2B.. Come on, was an actual play being made at 2B? did the girl pause and look at me as if she wanted me to make some type of call? the answer is no.
Umpiring is about the hardest task a fan of the game can partake in. You are required to to load about 150 pages of rules in your brain and act on plays in 1 second.
BTW... I played baseball from the time I was 4 to 18 playing at the college level until I hurt my arm. Marines were next. At the age of 20 I was umpiring High School Ball and by 21 was umpiring at the College Level. I took a break and actually played baseball until I was 38. Travel Softball with both my girls for the last six years and now I am here on Heybucket arguing with you guys.
I only say this because I wasn't sure if you were bragging, intimidating, or just wanted me to get know you guys....LOL
Oh!! one last thing...I stand by my OP although I should not have been so abrasive...I was trying to kid around and it spawned into 11 pages of stuff. But I still stand by it.. We have'nt even discussed the whole no such thing as a force out at first deal but that tipped me off that he has read the rulebook about a 1000 times. When an umpire gets picky like that it makes the coaches mad. Most coaches define a force out as not having to tag a girl for the out so in effect there is such a thing as a force out at 1st base and when I read his OP he clarified that in a way that made it hard to read but he did clarify it. Even UmpSteve said the same thing and I still think it is funny. Need to be careful in what you say or how you say it or your point will not be taken seriously. Arguing with someone over a put out and a force out is never a good idea.
I am sure they are fine folks...other than a little bantering...I have never said anything bad about them. Now most of them have told me not to umpire, 1 feels sorry for me, etc... But also understand it is a website if I meet any of these fine folks in person one day I am sure it would be a good conversation. If nothing else I will allow them to look at me like some kinda of specimen for 30 seconds....LMAO
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