NEW ASA POLICY ON SELECTING USA SOFTBALL JUNIOR TEAM

[Trophy Hunter]

Trophy Hunter where do u get all your info? It's not all quite...hummmm how can I put this ....true..

PGF moved dates to go against ASA... I don't believe that is correct

got to go but I have more to follow

Baloney. ASA qualifer dates were set well ahead of PGF's. Maybe you don't know because your team was gifted a quid pro quo invite so none of this really matters to you. But it's a given, even AI acknowledges that. Read the following quote, and try to tell me it doesn't reek of arrogance and a lack of interest in the travel community as a whole.

Not saying it was a great idea for PGF to schedule for the same weekend. PGF teams have no intention of playing ASA, so they probably felt it was ok to hold their nationals whenever. 2 years ago when PGF started they worked to schedule around ASA. Not sure it is PGF's job to always work around ASA. Perhaps if ASA worked together with PGF to set a date the conflict could be avoided.

Even AI, as much a defender of PGF as Battle is of ASA, suggests they should work together to avoid a conflict. It's obvious to everyone that this wasn't in the best interest of the players.

[Trophy Hunter]

You can call listening to coaches, listening to parents stale all you want. It is why PGF exists. It is why ASA has had to go to ground. Did ASA go to ground over AFA? NSA? any of the others?

I get why PGF exists. I don't have a problem with that. What I don't get is why they are using players (not their own, of course) as chattel in in their conflict with ASA.

[AlwaysImprove]

I have suspected for some time that Trophy Hunter might be someone else that has been around here for a while.

Trophy, which of the following statements are true? When NCAA created their bat list they:
a) Did it to get rid of old bats.
b) NCAA don't know crap, ASA has been ahead of the curve on this for years.
c) NCAA has some nerve legislating NCAA softball.
d) Did it only for "competitive" reasons.
e) NCAA is a crap organization because coaches make the decisions.
f) NCAA hates umpires cause they make them change their clothes behind their cars.

[AlwaysImprove]

Trophy Hunter where do u get all your info? It's not all quite...hummmm how can I put this ....true..

PGF moved dates to go against ASA... I don't believe that is correct

got to go but I have more to follow

Baloney. ASA qualifer dates were set well ahead of PGF's. Maybe you don't know because your team was gifted a quid pro quo invite so none of this really matters to you. But it's a given, even AI acknowledges that. Read the following quote, and try to tell me it doesn't reek of arrogance and a lack of interest in the travel community as a whole.

Not saying it was a great idea for PGF to schedule for the same weekend. PGF teams have no intention of playing ASA, so they probably felt it was ok to hold their nationals whenever. 2 years ago when PGF started they worked to schedule around ASA. Not sure it is PGF's job to always work around ASA. Perhaps if ASA worked together with PGF to set a date the conflict could be avoided.

Even AI, as much a defender of PGF as Battle is of ASA, suggests they should work together to avoid a conflict. It's obvious to everyone that this wasn't in the best interest of the players.

I am actually not that good of a defender of PGF. I do not sit on the board and have little knowledge of why some decisions get made the way they do. Some of my responses create issues for PGF, as much as others create issues for ASA. I suspect that Battle does sit in the inner circle.

Yes they should work together. It is my understanding if ASA calls PGF, PGF would answer. I know ASA would not answer. They had many years to pick up the phone and answer, and ASA has routinely said "Shut up coach, it is the way it is cause we are ASA".

The threads on all of this board in the past, back to eteamz. Until this year, ASA felt it was their divine granted right to abuse the softball community for their personal gain.

Only one thing changed that, and it was PGF.

[Trophy Hunter]

I have suspected for some time that Trophy Hunter might be someone else that has been around here for a while.

Trophy, which of the following statements are true? When NCAA created their bat list they:
a) Did it to get rid of old bats.
b) NCAA don't know crap, ASA has been ahead of the curve on this for years.
c) NCAA has some nerve legislating NCAA softball.
d) Did it only for "competitive" reasons.
e) NCAA is a crap organization because coaches make the decisions.
f) NCAA hates umpires cause they make them change their clothes behind their cars.

AI, I'm actually laughing out loud. (thank you for that, even if it wasn't intentional!) The answer is "I don't know!" The NCAA and bat regs are way out of my line of sight. I have no experience with one or the other. But it sounds like you might be referencing MTR, who compared to me is an expert on the NCAA and bats and rules.

I merely voice my opinion on what I believe is right and wrong. It doesn't matter to me if it's PGF or ASA or NCAA. I, and others, speak out when they feel something isn't right. You tend to take up the case for PGF, Battle tends to take up the case for ASA, and MTR tends to take up the case for ASA/Umpires. In the middle of all of this is the players, and if you aren't acting in the best interest of the players (as a whole, not a subset of PGF or ASA), then I, and others, will continue to speak out. I'm just a parent. I have no agenda other than the belief that everyone who has any stewardship over the game should act, always, for the betterment of all the players, first and foremost. I understand that everyone wants to make money, and everyone wants control over this or that. But IMO, a great number of players, and even the sport itself, are suffering due to the present conflict, and that is wrong.

[Battle]

Yes they should work together. It is my understanding if ASA calls PGF, PGF would answer.

When was the last time that PGF called the ASA/USA Office and attempted to become a USA Softball Business Partner? How much money did they offer to donate? I can almost guarentee that you will get an answer....

[NumeroUno]

TH everyone has an opinion but that doesn't mean you are always right. I know for a fact that you are wrong saying that pgf schduled qualifiers the same day as asa on purpose. Once high school season is over there are only so many weekends to get all the qualifiers in. I have nothing against asa i loved every nationals I went to.

One thing no one talks about is how many more teams now have the chance to play in a national tourney now that pgf rose up. With no pgf all those berths asa has would be swallowed up by Crackers, Athletics, Angels, Explosion, Batbusters etc.

[Battle]

TH everyone has an opinion but that doesn't mean you are always right. I know for a fact that you are wrong saying that pgf schduled qualifiers the same day as asa on purpose. Once high school season is over there are only so many weekends to get all the qualifiers in. I have nothing against asa i loved every nationals I went to.

One thing no one talks about is how many more teams now have the chance to play in a national tourney now that pgf rose up. With no pgf all those berths asa has would be swallowed up by Crackers, Athletics, Angels, Explosion, Batbusters etc.

...and well deserved but there is softball outside of Cali. Well...at least there is for ASA.

[NumeroUno]

TH everyone has an opinion but that doesn't mean you are always right. I know for a fact that you are wrong saying that pgf schduled qualifiers the same day as asa on purpose. Once high school season is over there are only so many weekends to get all the qualifiers in. I have nothing against asa i loved every nationals I went to.

One thing no one talks about is how many more teams now have the chance to play in a national tourney now that pgf rose up. With no pgf all those berths asa has would be swallowed up by Crackers, Athletics, Angels, Explosion, Batbusters etc.

...and well deserved but there is softball outside of Cali. Well...at least there is for ASA.

I agree 100% I was just talking ASA so cal qualifiers. There are many great teams nation wide that are going to PGF that opened the door for other teams to get the national experience

[Battle]

TH everyone has an opinion but that doesn't mean you are always right. I know for a fact that you are wrong saying that pgf schduled qualifiers the same day as asa on purpose. Once high school season is over there are only so many weekends to get all the qualifiers in. I have nothing against asa i loved every nationals I went to.

One thing no one talks about is how many more teams now have the chance to play in a national tourney now that pgf rose up. With no pgf all those berths asa has would be swallowed up by Crackers, Athletics, Angels, Explosion, Batbusters etc.

...and well deserved but there is softball outside of Cali. Well...at least there is for ASA.

I agree 100% I was just talking ASA so cal qualifiers. There are many great teams nation wide that are going to PGF that opened the door for other teams to get the national experience

Well Uno, I guess that's one good thing that has came from all of this. You always seem to be able to find the silver lining. It must be a gift...