Pitchers working with Weights

[ocdad]

I would just like to add my .02, I hope not to get into the current direction of this topic so I would like to address the initial post by Izzy's Dad.

Regarding an actual weight program as part of winter workouts, I think it is absolutely bad for a 12 year old. Especially since it sounds like it is going to be a weekly program - the repeative nature is what would concern me regarding weights. My dd is a small girl & to get stronger she will lift weights from time to time with her cousin that plays football (he is 13). I am not talking about a full weight lifting session, she will do all the cardio stuff with him & will lift light aerobic type weights and do a couple of other thing with different weights, nothing heavy. I see nothing wrong with this, I believe (IMO) it is the repetive nature that puts a strain on the body & leads to many problems for example the repetive nature of pitching, we have seen the threads on this so I will not go any further with it, but just an example. If everyones dd is like mine her book bag weighs more than she would ever try to lift on her own.

As for the impact heavy weights would have on the muscle, in high school we had a body builder work with us, he wanted teach kids how to lift properly. It worked great for us, I got much stronger and a lot more muscle mass than I thought possible, but I played a lot of different sports, noticed my flexibility, range of motion & more important I started to pull more muscles & knees were always swelling up when I went to the heavy lifting. Started playing racketball & cross country & it kept me very limber and I didn't pull any more muscles or knee trouble.

I never thought it a coincidence when the steroids were rampant in MLB that they started to have a ton of injuries: pull hamstring, muscle pulls, etc. I have heard a lot less reported now that they are not as juiced up as they use to be. JMO

I thought the exact opposite. McGuire never stayed healthy until he was on the juice. Look what happened when Barry got off. Look what happened to Gagne after he got off it and so on and so on. Steroids help you heal and recover more quickly.

You are right about the recovery time, what I was talking about were the completely torn muscles, blown out ACL's, shoulders etc. Muscles too tight & rigid, so instead of having slight tears you had complete blow outs & all the players you reference led to everyone following, but the key thing you miss is the positions they played. Gagne closer - 1 inning, McGuire DH or 1st. The only one that had to move was Bonds & when he started to use he wasn't know for his defense anymore it was all about the HR's he went from Gold Glove to defensive liability out there. If you remember during that time everyone was looking at the workout practices of the players that were getting hurt - they all looked like damn action figures & the talk started to turn to less heavy weight lifting.

[Demonboy]

Weight training huh?

Thank you 12u parents. You grow simultaneously more amusing and scary every year.

[wadeintothem]

I think you parents could get some real good supplements right at GNC for a moderate cost. I think a great weight training regimen with some "supplements" is a darn fine idea for 10 and 12 y/o girls.. Perfect! They might start peeing standing up and they could always nair their mustaches, but whats that compared to a shot at a scholarship?

[Clean_up]

I've never understood where all of this fear comes from? It's absolutely mind boggling.

I've fractured my finger (baseball), wrist (fell off pourch), collarbone (jump over a pile of leaves), hand (fighting), thumb (football) and my elbow (football) which I still have some limited ROM. Chipped a bone on my ankle in basketball and twisted many ankles as I'm sure all of us that played basketball have done.

I've had strength training off and on through all of it and continue to strength train. I'm far from "strong" yet I've never experienced even 1 minor injury with lifting. NEVER!

Where does this fear come from? How does it originate?

Perhaps someone here knows of a person seriously injured lifting weights? I don't know of a single person. I suspect a person is at much more risk getting in a vehicle and driving or riding to the gym than they are once they arrive. Yet we get in vehicles every day and never think twice about it.

I've seen quite a few myths in this thread on strength training that simply have no basis for print.

If a kid has had a physical, is reasonably healthy, and has supervision, there is no voodoo monster hiding in the corner. There may be lawyers ensuring what gets published has a litany of statements covering their (!). If you're a school official, would you dare have any program that isn't overly restrictive given what the masses (as demonstrated in this thread) would do? I'd love to attend that school board meeting and listen to the hysteria.

Strength training can be a very good thing for kids. It can also be fairly useless and expensive, it all depends on the parent and kid. Can it be dangerous? No more than virtually any other sport and/or many life activities.

DD went through a strength and agiliy program at an athletic training facility during her Freshman year; they focused on strength AND agility, but she was 14-15 years old, not 12. She DID sprain her wrist/lower forearm area pretty badly lifting barbell/overhead bar (whatever it is called) though. Before the injury, she was always taping her wrists because they were sore and then one day put the bar down wrong or something and sprained it, she was in therapy for 6 weeks. She has since not returned, mostly because it was soooooo expensive, but I think she was over-doing it. She knows the proper techniques now, so a gym membership she is getting instead so she can work out at her own pace.

[anonlooker]

I'm curious then, when is it safe to start lifting?

Most begin when they get to HS, right? But that implies a blanket understanding that all girls are developed enough at that age (13-14) to lift, which is silly because every kid matures differently.

[sftball1]

I think it's curious that most of the people here saying that it's ok for 12 yo to lift are (1) people with kids in that age range or (2) people (trainers) who benefit from them weight training. I bet a lot of these opinions will change when their dd is 18 and they realize that they missed a lot of "being a kid" because they were pushing their kid to "be the best" whatever.

Aahhh... hindsight is 20/20. Wait until they realize how ridiculous they look ranking 12 yo softball teams and talking about their "training regimens". In the grand scheme of things, what difference does it make??

[Demonboy]

Five years from now, they'll look back (or read their posts) and they will laugh at themselves. Happens to almost all of us.

[Ace]

Five years from now, they'll look back (or read their posts) and they will laugh at themselves. Happens to almost all of us.

Does this include the "Rebel Chant"?

[wadeintothem]

1st My Video Evidence:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_3TQc0- ... re=channel

I post this video of our favorite dominate 7 year old for a reason. Look at the umpire, he doesnt even put on his mask! He is mocking your kids, a virtual slap! Many umps at 10/12U , no chest protector. Regardless of the bragging, the simple fact is your players do not throw hard. Yeah, they might scare another 10 y/o, but big whoop, so does the shadow of cookie monster. They dont scare umpires. And you can tell by the umpire equipment worn vs that worn at top levels.

That is why I support a regimen of weight training and supplement, and I have found the perfect answer for those of you who want to take your pre-teen's game to the next level.

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Equidren

Now heres what I'm thinking, so hear me out. You could stack the perfect dosing cycle for those 10 and 12 year olds who do not seem to be filling out the ole jersey as they should. These lil ole skinny lil pre teens running around, practically a mockery of athleticism.

Some weights, some legal anabolic compounds (oral of course like Equidren, I would hold off on the intramuscular injections until they are at least 14), a good trainer and bam. Your kid is guaranteed to be at the top of her game. Strong as an ox.

You know it might even stall the onset of puberty for several years, an added bonus for us daddy's out there.

And I bet them umpires start wearing a mask when your kids are pitching.

Lets get the ball rolling here, this could be a new trend in advancing this sport.


Pricing: You might be thinking: "Times are tough, I would like to get my daughter a few cycles, but I just cant afford it."

Throw that yoke off, this is NOT expensive. For less than the price of a bat your daughter will be a stud.

Thats right, thats how cheap it is. Buy 3 - get 1 free. 4 bottles only $279. A few days standing in front of the grocery selling cookies or something.

[anonlooker]

And you have to love the title of that vid: "Dani hits a double"...

and note the effort 1B puts in to missing the throw, which sends our girl on her to 2nd for a stand up double!